
##221650 " WE HAVE THE CHILDREN " qwq @ ( Footage-of-Marjori Unidentified Child 1 : Wow , this is great . @!Ms-MARJORIE-CHAPPE : All I have to think is , ' Well , I do n't have them today . Tomorrow might be a better day . ' Hey , you did that all by yourself ? @!SUSAN-SPENCER-repo : @(Voiceover) For Marjorie Chappell Gray , at her day-care center job ... @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!Mr-DON-WOOD-@1Chil : ... that just shows to the extent that they 've gone to ... @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... at meetings with state investigators ... @!Mr-LANCE-DAY-@1Sta : We 've got everything that -- that the FBI has . @(Footage-of-photo-I) @!Ms-GRAY : We 'll have Don take their picture , and that will be the card . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... at photo ID sessions for kids ... @!Ms-GRAY : That 's my picture of my daughter right there , Kristi. @(Close-up-of-Missin) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... thoughts of children and her own two missing children , Jeffrey and Kristi , are never far away . @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) I 'm not a quitter , nor will I start @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ fact , the phone will ring and I 'll think , even to this day , ' Maybe it could be the call . ' It 's , like , " the call , " you know , that maybe they 've been found . @(Close-up-of-missin) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) On June 29th , the call finally came from state prosecutor Lance Day . @!Ms-GRAY : ' We have the children and Dennis in custody , ' and I just screamed . Lance could n't get a word in , and I was just jumping up and down . @!SPENCER : The case broke when investigators traced phone calls from here , the small town of Willow Springs , Missouri , to family members back in Florida , family members who are believed to have helped Dennis Gray hide for five long years . @(Footage-of-Dennis-) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Marjorie 's ex-husband , now sporting a full beard , is locked up in the county jail , refusing a lawyer and vowing to fight extradition . Unidentified Police Officer 1 : Back door over here . @(Close-up-of-Missin) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) The kids , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to be harder to catch than he was . Unidentified Police Officer 2 : The father told the FBI agent that , yeah , they were instructed just to go to the top of the ridge and hide in the briars. @(Photo-of-Jeffrey) @!MICHAEL-@1Renamed- : @(Voiceover) ' And if someone comes up here , you run up the hill . ' @!SPENCER : So you took your sister and ran into the woods ? @!MICHAEL : I was like , ' Nancy , come on , come on , come on . ' @(Photo-of-young-Kri) @!MICHAEL : We were crying . @(Footage-of-officer) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) How far do you think you ran ? @!MICHAEL : @(Voiceover) A mile . Officer 2 : We found them somewhere right around in here . They squatted down , trying to hide . They were dirty and scared and did n't want to go with us. @!SPENCER : Did you think could you get away ? @!MICHAEL : Yeah , we could have . Could have gone over the next hill and the next and the next . We just did n't . We came back . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ : Not really . @!SPENCER : No ? @!MICHAEL : Scared that my father might get shot . @(Footage-of-safehou) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) After the arrest , the two children are spirited off to this safehouse , a few miles from the isolated piece of land they called home . Officer 2 : This is where they was living at , in this Winnebago , living off the land , I guess . I 'm not sure what they were doing here , trying to stay hid . @(Footage-of-Winneba) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) The only schooling the kids had was at home . Why did n't you go to school ? @!MICHAEL : Because there 's lots of things , more like lots of children doing bad things and stuff . @!SPENCER : In school ? @!MICHAEL : Mm-hmm , and we 'd get influenced . Officer 2 : No electricity . They kept a crate over here in the creek with ... Unidentified Police Officer 3 : Yeah , a milk crate with -- with perishable stuff in s -- in the water there in this little branch . Officer 2 : @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ freeze . Looked like jalapeno peppers . January of ' 95 -- turkey . @!MICHAEL : We went hunting with him . First time , we got a squirrel , I think , and then the second time we got a coyote , and then the next time we got a turkey . @!SPENCER : Mm-hmm . And you ate that ? @!MICHAEL : I kind of think we threw most of it away because it was n't too good . @!SPENCER : But how was the ... @!MICHAEL : The turkey was yum-yum-yum. @!SPENCER : Yeah ? How was the squirrel ? @!MICHAEL : Yum-yum . @(Footage-of-state-p) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Two days after the children are recovered , Florida state prosecutor Lance Day ... @!Ms-GRAY : OK , thank you . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... gently gives Marjorie more details . @!Mr-DAY : From what I 'm told , they -- they literally lived in the woods , and it was a kind of a survivalist-type adventure for them . They gave the little girl a -- a bath last night . She had -- she said she had n't @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ a bathtub was . @!Ms-GRAY : Oh , wow . @!Mr-DAY : And so that was a new experience for her . @!Ms-GRAY : That 's amazing . That 's amazing . @(Footage-of-jugs) Officer 1 : These jugs lined up here by the Winnebago , they said they 'd heat up a jug of water and pour it over their head to take a bath . @!Ms-GRAY : Hearing how they 've lived , it 's -- it really does break my heart to think that they 've had to live this kind of lifestyle that 's very different . @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Perhaps most heartbreaking ... @!Mr-DAY : The -- the people that have already seen the children up there are of the opinion that if they were to just be turned over to you immediately , that that would have some really traumatic effect on them . It 'd be very negative for them . @!Ms-GRAY : I -- And I understand that . I really do . I really understand that . They do n't want to see me . They 're afraid of me . And @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ you have n't seen your kids for five years . You want to hug them . You want to kiss them . You want to say , ' Gee , I have been looking for you . ' And they do not want to see me. @!SPENCER : How do you feel about your mother ? @!MICHAEL : I do n't like her . @!SPENCER : What do n't you like about her ? @!MICHAEL : Just what she did to us . Sometimes she 'd -- she 'd lock us in our room . I remember that . Beat us . She beat us when we did just a little bad thing . She beat us. @(Footage-of-childre) @!Mr-WOOD : Are you guys ready to go ? @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) As they leave Missouri ... @!Mr-WOOD : You 'd be surprised at what things are going to be like . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... the last place the children say they want to go is back to Florida ... Did she hurt you ? @!MICHAEL : ( Nods ) @!SPENCER : Are you sure ? @!MICHAEL : Yeah . @(Footage-of-Don-Woo) @!SPENCER @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ : I do n't want to stay with her . That 's for sure . @(Footage-of-Don-Woo) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Don Wood of Child Watch is convinced that the kids are only repeating what their father has taught them . Right now they consider their mother the enemy ? @!Mr-WOOD : Oh , yeah , no question . She 's still the enemy . @(Footage-of-plane-t) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) The experts say with time and counseling , that will change . @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!Ms-GRAY : Take a deep breath . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Until it does , ironically , it is Marjorie who must hide ... Unidentified Man : You can make out an image right here , but you ca n't really ... @!Ms-GRAY : OK . Man : ... make out who it is. @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... to finally get a glimpse of her children , if only from a distance . @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) I mean , I still do n't believe I 'm going to see them . I still do n't believe it . 
##221651 " IT WILL HAUNT ME " @!DAN-RATHER-host : There is no way to predict what the days ahead will bring for Marjorie and her children , but there may be lessons in the stories of other families reunited after years apart . Richard Schlesinger reports on coming to terms after coming home . @(Photo-of-Carolyn-S) @!Ms-CAROLYN-SMITH-@ : @(Voiceover) Christopher was four and Charles was six . It 's just so weird , I mean , because you remember them being little . @(Footage-of-Carolyn) @!Ms-SMITH : @(Voiceover) And then it 's like you open your eyes and they 're big , and there they are . @(Footage-of-Carolyn) @!RICHARD-SCHLESINGE : @(Voiceover) When Carolyn Smith was reunited with her children in Houston after seven years , it was almost like meeting strangers . @!Ms-SMITH : I said , ' They 're so big . ' @!CHARLES-SMITH : I did n't really recognize her . Eventually I recognized her when she told me. @!CHRISTOPHER-SMITH : Charles asked her who she was , and she said , ' I 'm your mother , ' but I did n't say anything the whole way . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ this person ? @!CHARLES-SMITH : No. @!CHRISTOPHER-SMITH : None . @!CHARLES-SMITH : I saw her as the enemy . I saw everybody around me as the enemy . @(Photos-of-Charles-) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) Charles and Chris Smith were snatched by their father as preschoolers . When they came back to their mother , they were adolescents . @!CHARLES-SMITH : We had our own secret codes , OK ? @!SCHLESINGER : What would you use the codes for ? @!CHARLES-SMITH : Do n't talk to her . Do n't -- you know , do n't accept anything . @!CHRISTOPHER : Do n't take this . @!CHARLES-SMITH : Yeah . @!CHRISTOPHER-SMITH : Do n't do that . @!Ms-SMITH : What is this ? These are not my kids . And they were so fake and they were so artificial . @!Mr-ERNIE-ALAN-@1Na : When the child is found , there tends to be an attitude of relief and ' happy ever after . ' But the reality is the recovery of the child is only the beginning . qwq @ ( Footage-of-Alan ; -s @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) Ernie Alan is head of the National Center @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Smith and Marjorie Chappell Gray are up against . @!Mr-ALAN : @(Voiceover) The abducting parent has fed them , clothed them , been their protector . Has , in -- in many ways , in a lot of these cases , brainwashed the child . @!SCHLESINGER : Well , what did he tell you about your mother ? @!CHARLES-SMITH : That she was , like , bad -- you know , took drugs and crap -- and you know , not a good person . That 's what he said . @!SCHLESINGER : Did you believe that ? @!CHARLES-SMITH : Yeah . @!CHRISTOPHER-SMITH : Yes , because I did n't remember her as she was . @(Footage-of-Schlesi) @!JASON-TOMASSI : I -- I could n't remember I had a mom , so I did n't know . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) It had been 11 years since Jason Tomassi and his brother David had seen their mother , Emily Rateau. @!Ms-EMILY-RATEAU-@1 : And when I saw Jason -- he was the first one I saw , and I just went up to him and hugged him and cried . And that 's all @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @!J-TOMASSI : And she kind of just came in and gave me a hug and I was like , you know , ' Who the hell are you ? ' You know ? @(Photo-of-Jason-and) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) They were taken by their father not once , but twice . The first time he took them for three and a half years . @!Ms-RATEAU : There were n't any laws against it . It was just considered a dom -- a domestic dispute . @(Video-of-Jason-and) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) After the boys were found , a judge allowed David Tomassi to continue seeing the boys . And nine months later he took them again , this time for 11 years . @!Mr-ALAN : I think it 's difficult to conclude anything other than their childhoods were stolen from them and from their mother . @(Footage-of-Rateau) @!Mr-ALAN : Voiceover ) How do you give that back ? @!Ms-RATEAU : Jason , you want milk , coffee ? qwq @ ( Footage-of-Rateau , @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) David and Jason have been living with their mother in South Bend , Indiana , for just 10 months @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ for the second batch . @!J-TOMASSI : My mom 's a nice lady and all . She tries . You know , she loves us. @!DAVID-TOMASSI : My mom makes me feel real at home , you know . She 's doing a real good job of making me feel , you know , like I 'm her son , so it 's kind of nice . @!SCHLESINGER : See , I get this sense that you 're really not that comfortable here . Is that right ? @!D-TOMASSI : Sometimes I am , but sometimes I 'm not . @!SCHLESINGER : Do you feel still close to your dad ? @!J-TOMASSI : Yeah . @!SCHLESINGER : Is it fair to ask if you feel closer to your dad than you do to your mom ? @!J-TOMASSI : Yeah . I mean , I 'll alway -- I 'll always love my dad more than my mom . There 's no question . @!D-TOMASSI : I do n't know anymore . I used to think I was closer to my dad . Now I just -- I 'm not close to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to go my own separate way . @(Footage-of-Schlesi) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) Coming home means having to reconcile two versions of the same events . What do you want to ask them ? @!J-TOMASSI : Like , find out the truth , like , why he left with us . And , like , everybody 's got their own different views about it . And so I still do n't know , you know . I 'd want the honest , honest , honest , honest , honest truth . @!SCHLESINGER : Mm-hmm . @(Footage-of-David-T) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) David Tomassi , who twice took his boys , was released from jail after serving 10 months for the 11 years he hid them . Do you want to go see your kids again ? Mr. @!DAVID-TOMASSI : Do I want to ? Yeah . I 'd love to my see my boys , but I -- I ca n't see them right now . @!Ms-RATEAU : He gets 10 months in jail . That 's the maximum penalty , which I think is absolutely ridiculous . @(Footage-of-David-T) @!J-TOMASSI : @(Voiceover) It 's hard @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ since I was a kid , what me and my dad have gone through , you know . So it was like the bond between us is -- you ca n't match it , you know . @!SCHLESINGER : No matter what ? @!J-TOMASSI : No , no matter what . @!SCHLESINGER : Are you guys at all angry at your father for putting you through this ? @!D-TOMASSI : Deep down inside , I am a little bit . @!SCHLESINGER : How deep ? @!D-TOMASSI : Real deep down . @!SCHLESINGER : How do you know that ? What 's that feel like ? @!D-TOMASSI : I do n't know . I just look at other kids and they 're all normal , and I just look at myself as like -- sometimes I think I 'm like a freak or something . Sometimes it hurts , but I just try to ignore it . I try and do the best I can . @(Footage-of-the-Tom) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) The experts say time may not heal , but it can help . How old were you when you came back ? @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ were ? @!CHRISTOPHER-SMITH : Eleven . @(Footage-of-the-Smi) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) Charles and Chris Smith have been home for three and a half years , much longer than David and Jason Tomassi . Over time the Smith boys have settled in to life with their mother . @(Footage-of-the-Smi) @!Ms-SMITH : Did you get that side wet ? @!SCHLESINGER : Are you guys happy now ? @!CHRISTOPHER-SMITH : Yes . @!CHARLES-SMITH : I feel happy . @!SCHLESINGER : I 'm -- I 'm looking at you . And I 'm listening to you and -- and you still strike me as an angry guy . Are you -- are you still angry about all this ? @!CHARLES-SMITH : Maybe deep down inside . I mean , even my mom kind of brings it up to me . But I do n't re -- I 'm not really conscious about it , you know . But maybe deep down inside . @!SCHLESINGER : I mean , look how -- look how tight you stand . Look how -- look how controlled you are . Look -- look at your body language . Do you @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @!CHARLES-SMITH : Well , I do n't -- I do n't say that it 's necessarily over . I mean , we 're living a normal life and all . But as far as my past , I do my best not to live in it , but somehow I have this feeling that it 's going to haunt me for the rest of my life . You know , somewhere along the line , it 's going to haunt me. @!RATHER : In a moment , an update on Marjorie Chappell Gray and her children , so stay with us. 
##221652 Announcer : @(Voiceover) 48 HOURS : The Journey Home continues . " I DO STILL LOVE YOU " @(Footage-at-the-Woo) @!Mrs-WOOD : What do you want to drink ? @!Mr-DON-WOOD-@1Chil : @(Voiceover) They do n't want to admit they 're afraid , but I think they are . Unidentified Voice : ( From video game ) Welcome to 3-D Dinosaur Adventure . @!JEFFREY-GRAY-@1Ren : See , I 'll tell you when . @!SUSAN-SPENCER-repo : You 'll tell me when ? Now . @!J-GRAY : OK . It will now . @!SPENCER : Oh , this is great . @(Voiceover) In the seven days since they 've been with Don Wood , the entire world has changed for the Gray children . I do n't have this on my computer . @(Voiceover) It 's been a week of discovery . Did you know how to use a computer before you came here ? @!J-GRAY : Not really . But we did have a typewriter . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) And a week of confusion , confusion about their life on the run and how their father explained it . @!Ms-MARJORIE-CHAPPE : @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 'm not a good mother . @!Mr-WOOD : Oh , no , no , no , no , no , no , no ... @(Footage-of-Wood-S) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Now it 's Don Wood 's job to gently rewrite history . The past is not exactly as they see it . @!J-GRAY : Scientists said that turtles are dinosaurs . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) And the future holds a new life ... @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... one with a mother who loves them . @(Footage-of-the-Gra) @!Mr-WOOD : The first stage was to stabilize them so that they know that there 's a ground floor , that they 're safe ... @(Footage-of-Gray-ch) @!Mr-WOOD : @(Voiceover) ... that nothing 's going to happen , dramatic anyway , to them . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) That they can trust you ? @!Mr-WOOD : @(Voiceover) That they can trust us . And then start to introduce their mother to them slowly , with pictures ... qwq @ ( Looking-at-photo-a Oh , here 's the baseball . @(Footage-of-Spencer) @!SPENCER : This is Jeffrey 's baseball shirt ? @!Ms-GRAY : Yeah . He would always pick me flowers during @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the ball . @!Mr-WOOD : Do you remember that ? @!J-GRAY : That is so small . @!Mr-WOOD : So small . That 's how small you were . @!SPENCER : So whose is this ? @!Ms-GRAY : This is Kristi's. @!Mr-WOOD : Do you remember that ? @!J-GRAY : I do . @!KRISTI-GRAY-@1Rena : ( Shakes head no ) @!Mr-WOOD : Do you ? @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) I hope that they will remember . @!Mr-WOOD : Is n't that a cute picture ? That 's a picture of you and your mom together . Is n't that neat ? @!J-GRAY : I think we remember that . @!Mr-WOOD : This is your first birthday . @!Mrs-WOOD : Oh , look , have you no hair . @!Mr-WOOD : You 're bald . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) All happy times . @!Ms-GRAY : All happy times , yeah . @!SPENCER : You want them to understand that you love them and that you miss them . @!Ms-GRAY : Right . And that I -- I never went from them ; they were taken from me . It was n't a choice I @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ what she looked like ? A little bit ? @!J-GRAY : I -- I -- I think of her a little bit different . @!Mr-WOOD : You could tell they were interested to see what she looked like . Boy , lots of hugs . @!J-GRAY : OK . Is there anymore ? @!Mr-WOOD : Yup , got more . @!J-GRAY : Hey , I 'm trying to see the last picture . @!Mr-WOOD : I 'm hoping that maybe they 'll start to remember ' Things could n't have been that bad ; we look pretty happy . Mom looks pretty happy . ' @(Footage-of-Wood-an) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) A ticklish task , showing them that what they think about Marjorie is not true without calling their father a liar . @!Mr-WOOD : The curiosity is building , slowly , and I think they 're going to want to meet her . @(Phone-rings) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) But first ... @!Mr-WOOD : Hello . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... a voice they have n't heard in five years . @!Mr-WOOD : Here 's your phone and there 's your phone . OK . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Hi . @!J-GRAY : Hi . @!Ms-GRAY : @(On-telephone) Hello , guys . Guess who this is . It 's Mom . How are you doing ? @!K-GRAY : Fine . @!Ms-GRAY : @(On-telephone) I can not wait to see you guys . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) And a reaction that takes everyone by surprise . @!K-GRAY : I do still love you . @!Ms-GRAY : @(On-telephone) Oh , thank you . You know what , I love you ... @!J-GRAY : Me , too . @!Ms-GRAY : @(On-telephone) I love you bunches . Thank you so much . I have loved you and I 've missed you so much . I was -- put the phone down . Unidentified Man : They 're curious . @!Ms-GRAY : I was jumping all over the place , going , ' Oh , they remember me. ' @(On-telephone) I think we should really gang up on Don and get him in the pool somehow . What do you think ? Would n't that be fun ? @!K-GRAY : Yeah . @!J-GRAY : Yeah . @!Ms-GRAY : @(On-telephone) Yeah , I think so , too @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of her is changing . @!Mr-WOOD : Originally , she was ' old mother . ' That 's the way they referred to her . And just in the last few days you hear the word ' real mother ' come up . @!SPENCER : So we 've gone from old mom to real mom . @!Mr-WOOD : To real mom . And hopefully ' Mom ' will be the next step . @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) For Marjorie , that step has taken an eternity . @!Ms-GRAY : It 's really funny because I think I 'm pretty calm , but I keep breaking down and going , you know ... Unidentified Woman : Do you think this box would be good ? @!Ms-GRAY : Yeah , I think that would be great . @(Voiceover) I 'm packing some gifts for Jeffrey and Kristi . Woman : That 'll look nice . That 'll look great . @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) It 's really difficult . I do n't know what their tastes are . But I -- I 'm just hoping that they 'll like this . My gift is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ them and say Christmas and everything else , birthday , all wrapped in one . I 'm just going to put ' To Kristi . ' Woman : She does n't mind being called Kristi now , does she ? @!Ms-GRAY : No , that 's great . I have to call Jeff Michael . That 's going to be so hard for me to do that . Well , I have n't done this in a long time : ' Love , Mommy . ' Woman : I 'm so excited . It 's going to be great , Marge ... @!Ms-GRAY : It 's going to happen . It 's going to happen . I 'm like so happy . @!SPENCER : These are great bunk beds. @!Ms-GRAY : Are n't they wonderful ? They 're won -- a neighbor donated them to me. @!SPENCER : What have you done about clothes ? @!Ms-GRAY : I went to a thrift store who donated some clothes , and I 've got a few of Jeffrey 's here that -- we got some shirts . She loved pink , so I @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . @!Ms-GRAY : I got a little basket of , like , her barrettes and stuff like this . You know , we 're going to be living on top of each other for a while until we can , you know , at least get our lives together . @!SPENCER : Are you sure you 're ready for this ? @!Ms-GRAY : Probably not . @(Footage-of-Adam) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) And neither is little Adam , Marjorie 's son from her second marriage ... @!Ms-GRAY : Making a fashion statement again . @(Close-up-of-photo-) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... who sees a family resemblance in his half brother . @!Ms-GRAY : Who is this ? What 's his name ? @!ADAM : Adam . @!Ms-GRAY : No , that 's Jeffrey . What 's his name ? @!ADAM : Adam . @!Ms-GRAY : No , see , that 's Jeffrey . Jeffrey looks like Adam , does n't he ? @!ADAM : Jeffrey and Adam . @!Ms-GRAY : Yeah , that 's your brother . He looks just like you , does n't he ? @!ADAM : Yeah . @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!Ms-GRAY : Hi @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ a hug . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Adam will have his mother all to himself for a little while longer . @(Footage-of-the-Woo) @!Mr-WOOD : Good sandwiches . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) The Gray children are n't coming home to live just yet . But in a few hours they will , for the first time in half a decade , see their mother . @!K-GRAY : I 'm going to meet my mom . @(Footage-of-the-chi) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) How are they feeling about this right now ? @!Mr-WOOD : @(Voiceover) I think they 're really looking forward to it . They 're nervous , but it 's not a fear . It 's more of an anticipation . @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!Ms-GRAY : Good to go . Yes . OK , great . @!SPENCER : You told me about a week ago that she 'd been mean to you , but was that true ? @!J-GRAY : Yeah . @!SPENCER : But you still want to see her ? @!J-GRAY : Mm-hmm . @!SPENCER : Do you think she 's a nice person ? @!J-GRAY : ... ( unintelligible ) either . Everybody else does @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ you feel about her right now ? Because you were n't so sure before . @!K-GRAY : Happy . @!SPENCER : You are ? @!K-GRAY : Happy . Happy . Happy . @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!Ms-WOOD : Here they are . Here they are . @!Mr-WOOD : Here she is. @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) It 's like having a baby again . That 's how I feel . It 's like today I get to have my children . @!Mr-WOOD : Here , wait here . Wait here . She 's going to come . Here she is. @(Voiceover) These children really want to be loved . @(Marjorie-hugs-her-) @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) I think this is the happiest day of my life . Oh , it 's so good to see you guys . @!DAN-RATHER-@1Host@ : We 'll have more on Marjorie , Jeffrey and Kristi in a few moments , but first ... @(Photo-of-Carolyn-S) @!Ms-CAROLYN-SMITH-@ : I said , ' They 're so big . ' @!CHARLES-SMITH : She said , ' I 'm your mother . ' And it ... @!RICHARD-SCHLESINGE : Did you feel any sense of warmth to this person ? @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @(Voiceover) ... you 'll meet other families who have been reunited . @!JASON-TOMASSI : I 'll always love my dad more than my mom . There 's no question . @(Footage-of-Jeffrey) @!RATHER : @(Voiceover) Is this the future for Marjorie and her children ? 
##221653 " I 'LL NEVER ABANDON YOU " @(Footage-of-Dennis-) @!Mr-LANCE-DAY-@1Sta : @(Voiceover) If this were a stranger taking the children , it would be kidnapping . @!SUSAN-SPENCER-repo : @(Voiceover) This is not considered kidnapping ? @!Mr-DAY : @(Voiceover) No . And then that 's -- that 's probably one of the things that 's frustrating about this case because ... @(Footage-of-Day-and) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) But most frustrating for Florida prosecutor Lance Day , he still ca n't get his hands on Dennis Gray . qwq @ ( Video-of-Gray-in-c Unidentified Man : That 's him reading there . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Gray is fighting extradition from Missouri . What are the specific charges that he faces ? @!Mr-DAY : Concerning Florida , it 's removing the children from the state of Florida against the court 's order , which is a third-degree felony. @(Footage-of-Spencer) @!SPENCER : In the eyes of the state of Florida , you 've committed a serious crime . Do you view it that way ? @!Mr-DENNIS-GRAY-@1F : Well , if protecting your children and loving your children is a crime , then I 'm guilty . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ life they had ... qwq @ ( Footage-of-camp ; -S @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... at the end , living in a camper , no electricity , no running water . He claims not to understand why he 's being charged with anything . @!Mr-GRAY : I was n't on the run . I just really just moved away . I did n't even , you know -- for a -- for a whole year I used my same name , and then I decided I wanted to change my name and have a new start . @(Photo-of-Marjorie-) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) But he says the reason he took off with the kids is obvious : Marjorie was sexually abusing them . @!Mr-GRAY : You do n't want to believe something like that . @!SPENCER : Now this is after Marjorie has been awarded custody ? @!Mr-GRAY : That 's correct . @!Mr-HARRY-KROP-@1Cl : He indicated to me that he had concerns that his children were being or were sexually abused by the mother . I believe it was around May 8th of 1990. @(Footage-of-Krop-an) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) It was a visit to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ abuse , that triggered Dennis Gray 's flight . @!Mr-KROP : Initially , I saw the father alone and got his history . @(Footage-of-dolls) @!Mr-KROP : @(Voiceover) Then I spoke to each child independently . @!Mr-GRAY : After quite a long time with the children , he came and said that he believed that they had been sexually molested. @!Mr-KROP : My conclusions were that I could not conclude that sexual abuse had occurred , but that there was reason to be concerned . I referred the children for further counseling . @!SPENCER : So , in a nutshell , then , you basically just said , ' I think this should be further investigated . ' @!Mr-KROP : Exactly . @!SPENCER : ' I do n't know ' ? @!Mr-KROP : Exactly . There are cases where that 's the best professional opinion that we could give is , ' I do n't know . ' @!SPENCER : Dennis Gray took ' I do n't know ' to mean ... @!Mr-KROP : Apparently . @!SPENCER : ... ' I 'm going to take these kids . ' @!Mr-KROP : Apparently @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . @!Ms-MIA-HEINEY-@1Co : I 'd say that maybe as many as a dozen people had interviewed these children . There was never any evidence that I saw of any abuse by Marjorie Gray . @(Footage-of-Heiney-) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Mia Heiney was the court-appointed guardian for the Gray children . Why do people bring up charges of sexual abuse if they 're just -- What ? -- are they just making them up ? @!Ms-HEINEY : I think it 's a very intense emotional situation that people are in during custody battles and that people in desperate situations do desperate things . @!SPENCER : Did you think it was in their best interest ? @!Mr-GRAY : Of course I did or I would n't have done it . @(Footage-of-Gray-an) @!Ms-HEINEY : @(Voiceover) I just feel that that was just a ploy that was used to try to gain custody of the children . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Ultimately , a jury will decide if Gray acted out of real concern or simply out of vengeance . But even if found guilty , he probably wo n't do much time . @!Mr-DAY : @(Voiceover) @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ But because of Florida 's sentencing guidelines ... @!Mr-DAY : The guidelines will probably come out somewhere between zero and 22 months . @!SPENCER : Twenty-two months ? @(Video-of-Gray-in-j) @!Mr-DAY : @(Voiceover) Yes . That does n't mean that they do 22 months . You still have the overcrowding in Florida 's prisons to deal with . So you 're sentenced to 22 months , you may do nine months . @!SPENCER : At some point Dennis Gray gets out of jail . @!Ms-MARJORIE-CHAPPE : Right . @!SPENCER : What are you most worried about ? @!Ms-GRAY : A rekidnapping. @!SPENCER : Really ? You think they would try this again ? @!Ms-GRAY : I 'm afraid that they would . Why not ? @!Ms-HEINEY : I think that the Gray family aided and abetted their s -- Mr. Gray , Dennis Gray , in absconding with these children . @!SPENCER : She 's not exaggerating ? @!Ms-HEINEY : I do n't believe so . I think that they would assist him again in absconding with these children . @!Ms-GRAY : I think I should have a safe life with my @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ I am now . @(Footage-of-Dennis-) @!Ms-GRAY : But I 'm thinking it 's not going to end . @!SPENCER : She 's worried for her safety . Should she be ? @!Mr-GRAY : No . Oh , it 's ... @!SPENCER : Why are you laughing ? @!Mr-GRAY : It 's comical . I ... @!SPENCER : She should n't be afraid ? @!Mr-GRAY : No , that 's bull . That 's just baloney. @!SPENCER : Do you think that just as you were justified the first time to take them , it would be justifiable to take them again ? @!Mr-GRAY : I would say to most anybody out there that moving away like I did would have to be the last thing you would ever do . It would have to be a very special situation . I had to sacrifice everything in my life . I gave up a career , family , friends , possessions , whatever most people think , you know , are important . @!SPENCER : So does that mean that you would n't do it again ? Or that you would ? @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ into that . @(Footage-of-the-chi) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) But you believe Dennis Gray loves these children ? @!Mr-DON-WOOD-@1Chil : Oh , there 's no question . As a father , he 's loves his children . It 's misguided love , but it 's -- it 's definitely love . @(Photo-of-Dennis-an) @!Mr-WOOD : @(Voiceover) I mean , could you still love a child and hurt a child , and that 's what he did . @(Footage-of-Michael) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) What would you like to say to the kids ? @!Mr-GRAY : I know they would never see this , but if they did , you know , I would tell them that I love them and , ' You know that I love you and I 'll never abandon you . You can believe that . And I 'll do everything in my power to protect you . ' @!DAN-RATHER-@1Host@ : Just ahead , the day the children 's mother has been waiting for finally arrives . @(Footage-of-car-arr) @!Mr-WOOD : @(Voiceover) There she is. @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) It 's like having a baby again . Today I get to have my children @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ out when we return . 
##221654 " TO BUILD A BRIDGE " @(Footage-of-Susan-S) @!SUSAN-SPENCER-repo : Now yesterday you showed me on the map where you 've been . Can you show me again ? @!MICHAEL-@1Renamed- : No , this is n't what we did . @!SPENCER : Wait a minute . Hang on . Go slow . Show me. @!MICHAEL : Dump , dump , dump ... @!SPENCER : You started in Florida . @!MICHAEL : Yep . Stopped . @!SPENCER : Georgia . @!MICHAEL : Stopped . @!SPENCER : Virginia . @(Voiceover) In the five years since they left Florida ... How long were you in Virginia ? @!MICHAEL : Oh -- What ? -- a year or two years . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... the Gray children have covered lots of territory . All the way across Kentucky . @!MICHAEL : And down here . @!SPENCER : Tennessee . @!MICHAEL : Stopped . @!SPENCER : End up in Missouri , OK. @(Voiceover) And they 've always understood why . When you were not in Florida ... @!MICHAEL : Mm-hmm . @!SPENCER : ... a lot of people were -- were wondering where @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Did -- did you know that ? @!MICHAEL : Yeah . @!SPENCER : Tell me what you -- what you thought was happening . @!MICHAEL : We were trying to get away from them . @!SPENCER : You were trying to get way from who ? @!MICHAEL : Old mother . @!SPENCER : Your old mother ? Your real mother . @(Early-photo-of-Mar) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Their father , Dennis Gray , kidnapped them from their mother , and they know lots of stories about her . @(Photos-of-Marjorie) @!MICHAEL : She beat us when we did just a little bad thing . She was no good to us . She beat us. @(Footage-of-Missour) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) And on this isolated Missouri property , where police found them , there was no one to contradict the message their mother was evil . @(Footage-of-the-chi) @!Mr-DON-WOOD-@1Chil : They 're scared . I think it was very hard to see their dad arrested , when that 's really the only world they know . @!SPENCER : They love him . @!Mr-WOOD : Oh , they love him . There 's no question they love him . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ jail . @(Footage-of-the-chi) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) The kids , renamed Michael and Nancy , are back in Florida . qwq @ ( Footage-of-Marjori Unidentified Woman 1 : I know . I know . It 's just such a tearjerker. @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) And the mother they say they hate is hoping to re-enter their lives . How do you feel about that ? @!MICHAEL : See her and then go back . I would n't want to live with her . @!SPENCER : I 'm sorry , what ? @!MICHAEL : I said I would n't want to live with her . @!Ms-GRAY : They 're not ready to see me , and that 's fine . It 's just going to take time . Five years is a long time , so I ca n't -- I ca n't expect a quick fix . It 's not going to happen . @(Footage-of-Don-Woo) @!Mr-WOOD : OK , we better get two carts -- one for riding and one for shopping . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) So for now the kids will live with the family of Don Wood ... @!Mr-WOOD : Wait @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... whose group Child Watch ... @!ASHLEY : She 's likes cherry . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... has experience with such cases . @!Mr-WOOD : OK . We 're going to start moving . You ready ? @!NANCY-@1Renamed-by : Yeah . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) With the state 's blessing , the Woods will try to make their transition easier . @!Mr-WOOD : You guys see something you like , just point it out to us , OK ? You like hot dogs , Michael ? Let 's throw one of these on there . @!NANCY : Boy , it 's going to be a party tonight . @!Mr-WOOD : It 's going to be a party tonight . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) What have you seen that indicates to you that these kids did not have what most of us consider a normal upbringing in the last five years ? @!Mr-WOOD : @(Voiceover) I think they just seem to be overwhelmed by little things . It -- you know , things that we take for granted seem to be major events to them . You know , they see @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ what Nancy had said to my daughter last night about how comfortable this bed was , and saying that , ' We usually sleep on wood . ' @(Footage-of-the-Woo) @!Ms-WOOD : Put whatever you like . Do you want mayonnaise ? @!Mr-WOOD : @(Voiceover) There was no hesitation to want to eat any kind of food . What 's your favorite meat , Nancy ? Turkey ? @!NANCY : Everything . @!Mr-WOOD : Everything . Roast beef ? @(Voiceover) I do n't think they 've had a lot of food around . I love roast beef , too . Usually the job ends when they go home , where this is a little different . We 're almost having to now -- we 've found them , now we 've got to build a bridge to take them home . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) The journey home could take weeks . @!Mr-WOOD : @(Voiceover) Our plan is to hopefully sell them us first so that they will accept ideas from us . I think if we try to tell them what their mother is like , they 're just going to put @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ knots in your hair . @(Footage-of-Ashley-) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) For eight-year-old Nancy , the walls already are up . But she is starting to confide in Don Wood 's 12-year-old daughter , Ashley . @!ASHLEY : She hates her mother . ' If I saw my mother , I 'd go up and slap her one . ' @(Footage-of-Nancy-a) @!ASHLEY : What 's wrong ? @!NANCY : I 'm tired . @!ASHLEY : You 're tired ? @(Footage-of-Nancy-i) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Do you get the impression that she 's afraid of her mother ... @!ASHLEY : Well , yeah . @!SPENCER : ... or this idea of her mother ? @!ASHLEY : From all the things that she , like , heard about her mother , she 's so afraid because she thinks that her mother beat her . @(Footage-of-Nancy-i) @!SPENCER : Now swim over -- swim to here . See if you can swim this far . @(Voiceover) Could you even predict what their reaction would be if they saw their mother right now ? @!Mr-WOOD : @(Voiceover) I think it 'd be fear . @!SPENCER : That 's great @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ become anger . @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) I do n't want to meet them and them run away from me . I think it would crush me . I do n't want to deal with that . @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) But with them now in the same state , it seems too cruel to have no contact ... @!Ms-GRAY : I 'm nervous . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... so the Woods plan a secret viewing of the kids ... @!Ms-GRAY : The kids 'll be coming in about 45 minutes . @(Footage-of-Cypress) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... when they visit Cypress Island animal park . @!Mr-WOOD : It 's just to let her see the children without approaching them , without talking to them , without really getting that contact . @!Ms-GRAY : Take a deep breath . Unidentified Man : There should be a clear line of vision right on up to the petting area , where the kids will be petting the animals . @!Ms-GRAY : Right . Seeing these children today is going to be like , I do n't know , having them all over again because they @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ same children that I knew . We 've got to get to know each other again . Man : But you can make out an image right here , but you ca n't really make out who it is. @!Ms-GRAY : God , I just -- I ca n't believe -- I just ca n't believe I 'm going to see them . The day 's going to come when I can hug them . It 's just not today . It 's another day . @(Footage-of-boat-do) @!Ms-GRAY : I ca n't make them out right now . @(Footage-of-the-Woo) @!Ms-GRAY : Oh , my gosh , that 's Jeffrey . ( Crying ) Oh . I do n't believe I 'm looking at them . I ca n't believe this . Man : What I want to do is to show you something right over here . @!MICHAEL : What are those ? What are those ? Man : Come over here , son . Let me show you right over here . @!Ms-GRAY : I just want to go up to them and hug them so bad . Oh , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ them and all I can think about is the time I 've lost with them . It 's so different . @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Instead of regretting time lost , Marjorie soon will revel in time left ... Unidentified Woman : At least you got to see them , honey . It wo n't be long . You 're going to be able to hold them . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... as she gets ready for a real reunion with her children . 
##221655 THE JOURNEY HOME Announcer : @(Voiceover) 48 HOURS : The Journey Home . From New York , here is Dan Rather . @!DAN-RATHER-host : Good evening . According to experts , in the next 48 hours , nearly 900 children will be abducted , most by a parent . Many of these cases last only a few days , but some can stretch to years . This is the story of one of those cases . At the center of it is one mother confronting the unthinkable : that her children not only were taken from her , but that they were then taught to believe she was their worst enemy . Susan Spencer has watched this case unfold over the last six months . Her report begins last March in Jacksonville , Florida . " TILL THE DAY I DIE " @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!Ms-MARJORIE-CHAPPE : This is Jeffrey and Kristi Gray , my children , and they 've been missing for almost five years . @(Close-up-of-photos) @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) These two pictures were taken basically two weeks before the abduction . The Missing Children Foundation , they did @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ right here . @(Voiceover) They aged them as to what they think that they would look like at this age at this point . @(Photo-of-Marjorie-) @!SUSAN-SPENCER-repo : @(Voiceover) Finding her missing children has become Marjorie Chappell Gray 's obsession . @!Ms-GRAY : I will , you know , look for these children , you know , till the day I die . @(Photo-of-Marjorie-) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) She 's not seen them since 1990 . They were visiting her ex-husband , Dennis Gray , when he suddenly vanished with them . @!Ms-GRAY : The last day I saw Jeffrey , he says ... @(Photo-of-the-Grays) @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) ' Mum , I want to come home . ' I said , ' Well , you 've got a few more days with Daddy and I 'll see you then . ' He goes , ' No , I want to come home now . ' In his little way , he was trying to tell me , ' Mommy ' -- I think he knew that Dennis was going to take him . @(Photo-of-Jeffrey-a) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Jeffrey was five ; Kristi , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ think about what I 've missed with them . I ca n't allow myself to think of the happy times I 've had with them . It is too painful . If I do that , I ca n't cope . qwq @ ( Photo-of-Jeffrey ; - @!Ms-GRAY : I 'm right here . I 'm not going to let you go . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) To stay sane , Marjorie focuses on her three-year-old , Adam , her child with her second husband . @!Ms-GRAY : I 've had people say , ' Well , at least you have Adam . ' Wrong . I do n't have all of my family . @(Home-video-of-Marj) @!JEFFREY-GRAY : Michael said he 's going to keep my toys , and I said , ' No , you not . ' @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) I think what I remember most about Jeffrey -- his sweetness . He was very loving towards his sister , Kristi , three . Kristi had an attitude at three . @!SPENCER : When Dennis Gray took Jeffrey and Kristi from this Jacksonville house where he lived , it was @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ planned it very well , had read books on how to survive in hiding and even set up aliases and new identities . qwq @ ( Photo-of-Dennis-Gr Mr. @!MICHAEL NAUGHTON ( Dennis Gray 's Attorney ) : @(Voiceover) Mr. Gray believed that his children were being harmed . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Michael Naughton , Dennis Gray 's attorney , remembers an angry and bitter client . He made allegations that she had abused the children sexually , allegations for which , it turned out , as far as anybody can tell , there was n't any evidence . @!Mr-NAUGHTON : I 'm firmly convinced that Mr. Gray believed those allegations . I do n't believe these children were ever abused by anybody , Mom or Dad . @(Family-photos-show) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Not to say that either was the perfect parent . At one point , the courts ordered both Marjorie and Dennis into counseling . But after that and a full investigation , Marjorie won sole custody . @!Mr-NAUGHTON : What he did , I believe , he did out of love and desperation . @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Marjorie sees @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ you leave me , I will make you pay for the rest of your life . ' I -- I knew he could n't hurt me any more , but he 'd take my children away -- he would devastate my life . And that 's what he 's done . @(To-Adam) Say , ' Bye , park . See you later . ' @(Footage-of-Marjori) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Marjorie blames the strain of the search for the breakup of her second marriage . And she says that as the years have worn on , the local police seem to have lost interest in her kids . @!Mr-DON-WOOD-@1Chil : It 's up North somewhere . @!Ms-GRAY : The police department has come up with nothing . @(Photos-of-the-chil) @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) They 're so overladen , they ca n't help us . So -- and that 's why I said we 're basically on our own . And the attitude , when people say , ' Oh , well , he 's with the other parent , ' the thing is it 's kidnapping . @(Footage-of-map) @!Mr-WOOD : @(Voiceover) We could run up @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ things that we had for leads up in here . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Hiring private investigators drove her into bankruptcy . @!Ms-GRAY : I 've had bounty hunters call me , ' I can find your children , $ 100,000. ' @!SPENCER : You 're kidding ? @!Ms-GRAY : No. @(Footage-of-Don-Woo) @!Mr-WOOD : Yeah , it looks like a quick left . This has got to be it . @!Ms-GRAY : I thought , ' My gosh , it boils down to the almighty dollar , does n't it ? ' And that 's the frustrating part of it : These are children and that there is no help . @(Footage-of-Don-Woo) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Or at least there was n't until last year ... @!Mr-WOOD : Got all the photos there ? @(Footage-of-price-l) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... when Don Wood and his non-profit group called Child Watch joined in the search . @!Mr-WOOD : We 're looking for some children that were abducted about five years ago . Unidentified Woman 1 : Yeah , we -- I 've seen him before in here . @!Ms-GRAY : You have ? Woman 1 @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ apparently pass through this Jacksonville motel months ago , but he 's long gone now . @!Mr-WOOD : @(Voiceover) Law enforcement ca n't do it all . There 's a lot of pressure on them to handle so many different types of cases that there 's nobody that specializes in this type of work . Woman 1 : They have all their records right here , and if you want to go through them , you 're more than welcome . @!Mr-WOOD : Would you mind if we did that ? Woman 1 : No. @!Ms-GRAY : Great . @!Mr-WOOD : Great . @!Ms-GRAY : Thank you . @(Footage-of-Hopewel) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Child Watch also tracked Dennis Gray in 1994 to Hopewell , Virginia , where his brother lives . Local police were alerted . @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) Instead of going out there and driving and watching , watching to see if Dennis showed up , a patrol car went straight to the brother 's house -- knock , knock , knock . ' Is there a Dennis Gray here ? He 's a wanted felon . ' ' No . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ By which time he was able to tip Dennis and the children and they were gone . They lost him . And I was , ' No ! ' Because I 've never been that -- never been that close to them ever . @!SPENCER : However , the incident here in Virginia does at least bring in the FBI and confirms the theory that Dennis Gray 's relatives not only know where he is , but are helping him hide . Furthermore , investigators suspect that , through the years , Gray also has been in contact with the parents of his second wife , the Stuckeys. @(Footage-of-Wood-an) @!Mr-WOOD : We 're going to go to the parents of Marlene Stuckey , his new wife . I 'm hoping that by just talking to the mother and father , maybe they -- they would like to see their daughter come home . @!Ms-GRAY : Go left . @!Mr-WOOD : Left ? @!Ms-GRAY : Yeah . There 's always apprehension because you do n't know if it 's going to make them bolt like a wild horse . At this point @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) After two visits , Don Wood convinces the family to talk with state prosecutor Lance Day . @!Mr-WOOD : Hello . We 're here to see Lance Day . @!Mr-LANCE-DAY-@1Sta : Mr. Stuckey -- let 's take him first . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) The Stuckeys , at first , claim ignorance . @!Mr-STUCKEY : Difficult not knowing when and where they are or anything else . You do n't hear anything , it kind of leaves you hanging in the dark . Unidentified Woman 2 : OK . Do you swear to tell the truth , so help you , God ? @!Mr-STUCKEY : Yes . @!Mr-DAY : I 've asked you to come down to my office today to give me a sworn statement about any information you have into the disappearance of Jeffrey or Kristi Gray . @!Mrs-STUCKEY : This thing needs to come to an end . We need to have everybody home . qwq @ ( Footage-of-Mrs. -St @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Incredibly , in five years , neither police nor prosecutors ever has interviewed the Stuckeys. @!Mrs-STUCKEY : They need to be home . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ find out that you 've lied about material fact , do you understand that you could be charged with perjury ? @!Mr-STUCKEY : Yes . @(Footage-of-the-Stu) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Finally , the Stuckeys do recall that , in fact , they have seen Dennis Gray , their daughter and the children three times since 1990. @!Mr-DAY : Mrs. Stuckey , your husband wants to have a word with you . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) But they still insist they do n't know where they are now . @!Mr-DAY : In this type of crime , it 's very frustrating because the family is the information source . They set up this ... @(Missing-children-p) @!Mr-DAY : @(Voiceover) ... this underground network . They provide housing for their -- for the suspect . They provide money , shelter , everything . And that 's what 's very , very hard -- to break through that . @(Footage-of-trailer) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) While she waits for that breakthrough ... @!Ms-GRAY : Lee is 4 ' 2 " . I just want to see just how big you are , OK ? @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... Marjorie @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ into the lens here . @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... today making ID cards . @!Ms-GRAY : That 's my picture of my daughter right there , Kristi. @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) Though she does n't yet know it ... @(Footage-of-Dennis-) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) ... authorities will find Dennis Gray . @!Mr-DENNIS-GRAY-@1F : If protecting your children and loving your children is a crime , then I 'm guilty . @(Photo-of-the-Gray-) @!SPENCER : @(Voiceover) And the children he says he loves will now say they hate their mother . @!SPENCER : Did she hurt you , you think ? @!MICHAEL-@1Renamed- : ( Nods ) @!SPENCER : Are you sure ? @!MICHAEL : Yeah . @!Ms-GRAY : You have n't seen the kids for five years . You want to hug them . You want to kiss them . You want to say , ' Gee , I have been looking for you . ' @(Footage-of-the-Gra) @!Ms-GRAY : @(Voiceover) And they do not want to see me. 
##221658 SECRET PLEASURES @(Footage-of-Hollywo) @!Ms-ANN-CHRISTIE-@1 : 710 talk ... @!ERIN-MORIARTY-repo : @(Voiceover) It 's 10 AM , Los Angeles , California ... @!Ms-CHRISTIE : I 'm Ann Christie . I 'm here with my husband , Dr. Leslie Pam . @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) ... we 're on the air . @!Dr-LESLIE-PAM-@1Ra : Marriage and family therapists . And we talk about sex , relationships , anything you 'd like to talk about . @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) And at our request ... @!Ms-CHRISTIE : This morning we 're talking about romance novels , so give us a call because we 'd like to hear how it 's affecting your life . @!Dr-PAM : A romance novel is a woman 's pornography. @!MORIARTY : Is that a good thing or a bad thing ? @!Dr-PAM : Well , personally , I think it 's a great thing . Let 's go to Jennifer in Camarillo. @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) The question then for the listeners is not if they 're reading romance , but how much ? @!JENNIFER-@1Caller@ : Usually when I read romance novels , my husband is the character . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ usually imagine him as , like , a pirate . @!Ms-CHRISTIE : Wait a second . A pirate ? @!JENNIFER : Well , yeah . @!Ms-CHRISTIE : With a patch and the whole -- and the -- and the wooden leg . @!JENNIFER : Well , no. @!Dr-PAM : No , not the wooden leg , Ann . @!JENNIFER : I mean , if you 've ever read one of those romance ... @!Dr-PAM : When it becomes an obsession ... @!Ms-CHRISTIE : An escape . @!Dr-PAM : Yes . @!Ms-CHRISTIE : When it becomes the escape from your life , I think that 's where the difficulty is ... @!Dr-PAM : Right now , let 's go to Ardelle in Sun Valley . Ardelle ... @!Ms-CHRISTIE : If you can use it in some way to enhance your life , to bring it in to the marriage , to be creative with it , that 's another thing . Unidentified Woman 1 : Honestly , those books , for the past three years , have really helped our marriage . @!Dr-PAM : It 's pretty hot and steamy and sexual @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ that out of there , they would n't sell those books . qwq @ ( Footage-of-booksto Unidentified Woman 2 : Do you still have a copy of " Trust Me " ? @!Ms-JANET-CARROLL-@ : Yeah , it 's right up there , too . @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) Janet Carroll manages a bookstore specializing in romance . You have customers who read a couple of these a day ? @!Ms-CARROLL : Mm-hmm , yeah . @!MORIARTY : This is like literary fast food . @!Ms-CARROLL : Yeah , exactly . That 's a good -- literary fast food , yep . @!MORIARTY : And that 's what this ... @!Ms-CARROLL : Romance fast food . @!MORIARTY : That 's what this is ? @!Ms-CARROLL : Yeah . @!MORIARTY : The average romance reader is a woman , 39 years of age . Almost half of them are college-educated . More than half of them have a job outside the home . And if they are reading these books to escape reality , as most the women say , then they 're taking an awful lot of trips . The average reader goes @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . Unidentified Woman 3 : I probably read two to four romances a week . Unidentified Woman 4 : I read at least a book a day , sometimes two , and on rare occasions , three . @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) Meet Janet 's customers ... Unidentified Woman 5 : I am a CEO of a construction firm that has four offices in two states . Unidentified Woman 6 : I 'm a major gifts officer . I ask people for between $ 25,000 and $ 1 million . @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) ... all professional business women . Woman 4 : I always have a book with me , always . I 've got one in my purse now . Unidentified Woman 7 : I 've got one in my purse . Woman 4 : I have to stop the car ... @!MORIARTY : Wait a minute . How many of you all have a book right now in your purse ? Woman 5 : Not in my purse , my briefcase . Unidentified Woman 8 : It 's in the car . Unidentified Woman 9 : I refused to bring @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ one a night ? @!Ms-JUDITH-SHERVEN- : Then I would say they are an addict . @!MORIARTY : An addict in the true sense of the word ? @!Ms-SHERVEN : In the sense that if they 're doing one of these a night , they are not having much of -- of a life . @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) Judith Sherven , a clinical psychologist , practices just up the coast from Janet 's bookstore. @!Ms-SHERVEN : They have an addiction , much as we would say that somebody who gambles every night , somebody who drinks every night , that they 're addicted . They 're not living their own life ; they are committed to living inside this fantasy . @!Ms-CARROLL : Ninety-four sixteen , $ 73.86 . Signature , please . @!MORIARTY : Are you a bit addicted to these romance novels ? Unidentified Woman 10 : Yeah , I am , and sometimes -- I 've -- Jan knows -- I 've been traveling and working so much that I have n't had a chance to read and I have a suitcase full of books under my bed . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ But Judith says if you 're addicted to these books , there 's no room for anything else . @!Ms-SHERVEN : In romance novels , there are no problems . Oh , there 's intrigue , there 's drama , but I mean the kind of problems that have to be resolved in a healthy , real romance . Woman 10 : If you read a romance , it 's just a way to escape , relieve your stress , and then you go on with the next day . Woman 3 : They make me feel good about my life . I 've been married for almost 11 years , very happily . The books are very affirming . They 're about commitment , communication , monogamous relationships . @!MORIARTY : You 're not waiting for a guy who looks like this ? Woman 3 : Hmm-mm . No . Unidentified Woman 11 : Get real . @!MORIARTY : Does your husband look like this ? @!Ms-CARROLL : Not on a bet . qwq @ ( Footage-of-the-Car Oh , here comes the White Knight . Hi , honey ! @!Mr-ART-CARROLL-@1J @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ knight ! My hero . @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) This is Janet Carroll 's reality . And even if her husband , Art , does n't quite come in and sweep her off her feet , he does come home every night and makes dinner . @!Mr-CARROLL : We 've been married nearly 25 years . If romance novels help that , that 's fine . Woman 3 : If people like us do n't know the difference between fantasy and reality , who does ? @(Footage-of-women-b) @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) But because of the critics , the women sometimes feel they have to hide their fantasy from others . Woman 4 : I turn the covers around . Unidentified Woman 12 : Yes . Woman 4 : When I put them in my purse , I turn them around so that you ca n't see the covers . Woman 12 : Oh , I 've put -- put those cover on them . I 've put the cover on it before . @!MORIARTY : Now when I ask you about these romance novels ... @!Ms-CARROLL : Yep . @!MORIARTY : ... sometimes @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ because ... @!Ms-CARROLL : Yeah , I 'm defensive because everybody picks on us ! @!MORIARTY : What do you mean ? @!Ms-CARROLL : Everybody picks on -- because they do . They pick on romance novels and romance writers and romance readers , and it gets a little daunting . @!Ms-SHERVEN : If we could ask them what are they so defensive about , we might tap into that they 're aware that something about it takes them away from real life . @(Footage-of-group-o) @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) Could it be the graphic sex scenes ? Is anyone here going to admit that they actually do buy these books , a bit , for the romantic sexual scenes ? qwq @ ( Several-women-resp Unidentified Woman 13 : I told you ... @!MORIARTY : Help me out on this , Janet . @!Ms-CARROLL : OK. @!MORIARTY : You 're going to tell me this is n't about sex ? @!Ms-CARROLL : I know , I ... @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) But maybe if they had anonymity ... @(Footage-of-Christi) @!Ms-CHRISTIE : Rob on a pay phone . @!MORIARTY : @(Voiceover) ... like the callers @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @!ROB-@1Caller@2 : The novels , after 25 years of marriage , comes in pretty handy . @!Dr-PAM : I 'll bet . It 's a survival kit , right ? @!ROB : Yeah , it 's like a survival kit . @!Dr-PAM : There you go . @!MORIARTY : No one says , though , that it has interfered with their marriage . @!Ms-CHRISTIE : The preponderance of calls say that it enhances rather than detracts . Hi , there . @!Dr-PAM : Hey ! Unidentified Man ( Caller ) : Yeah , I wish my wife would read them . I 'd be more than happy to have anything that would spice things up a little . @!Dr-PAM : Thanks for that call . I appreciate it . Announcer : @(Voiceover) Romance ... @(Footage-of-love-sc) @!DAN-RATHER-@1Host@ : Ahead on 48 HOURS ... @!Ms-JOAN-HARRISON-@ : We 're not here simply to titillate ; we want to make good films . @(Footage-of-film-be) @!RATHER : @(Voiceover) Romance moves from the page ... Unidentified Director : All right , let 's shoot it . Action ! @!RATHER : @(Voiceover) ... to the screen . qwq @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Unidentified Man : Oh , baby ! Oh , darling ! I ca n't hold on ! @!RATHER : @(Voiceover) ... we introduce romance novels to some new readers . 
##221660 LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT @(Footage-of-photo-s) @!PINO-@1Photographe : John , you are not afraid . You are strong ! Suck your stomach . Chin up a little bit , John , not too much . Go to him , Zoe . @!Yeah-Yeah-# @!RICHARD-SCHLESINGE : @(Voiceover) The publishers of romance novels are hoping ... @!PINO : Right ! @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) ... you will judge their books by their covers . @!Ms-JANIS-ROSSI-@1A : @(Voiceover) There 's always the male . There 's always the female . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) They call this a clinch . @!Ms-ROSSI : @(Voiceover) They 're always half dressed , half undressed . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) It 's a familiar pose . @!Ms-ROSSI : @(Voiceover) She 's taking his shirt off , he 's shirtless , you know , now the wind 's blowing , their hair is flowing . @!PINO : Yeah ! @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) The idea is to clinch the buyer with the cover . @!Ms-ROSSI : We 're selling that thing that every woman wants . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) Janis Rossi is an art director for Zebra Books . @!Ms-ROSSI : And @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ fall in love with her , be her hero . @!PINO : John , a little bit more oomph there . Come on . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) And one of the most heroic models working today ... @!PINO : Yes ! @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) ... is this man , dubbed Mr. Romance 1994 ... @!PINO : Touch his chest . Go ahead . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) ... John D'Salvo. @(Footage-of-Schlesi) @!SCHLESINGER : Show your sensitive look . @!Ms-ROSSI : John is one of the better models . @!Mr-JOHN-D'SALVO-@1 : I 'm in the light . I 'm not in the light . @!Ms-ROSSI : He 's strong , he 's muscular , and he 's got the long hair , and he 's sexy . @(Footage-of-photo-s) @!PINO : OK , ready ? We go ! @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) John is shooting two covers today , one for Zebra Books and one for Harlequin . @!Mr-D'SALVO : I want the shot to come out primo . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) If you recognize him , it 's because he 's been on more than 200 covers . What part does he play ? @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @(Footage-of-script) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) Does n't say anything about what kind of guy he is. @!Ms-ROSSI : @(Voiceover) Oh , you mean personality-wise ? @!SCHLESINGER : Yeah . @!Ms-ROSSI : Who cares ? @(Photo-shoot-contin) @!PINO : Lean back , lean back , John . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) They are posing for a demanding artist named Pino ... @!PINO : No , no , no , John . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) ... just Pino. @!PINO : I want to see more -- more over here . OK. @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) His work might not be classical , but it is classic . @!PINO : It 's not Shakespeare , and I do n't think the people every day they want to read Shakespeare . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) He 'll paint this scene for a book cover , just as he has for hundreds of covers before . @(Footage-of-Schlesi) @!Mr-D'SALVO : When I see that product come to life , I 'm just -- I 'm very proud of what I do . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) And what he does is a far cry from what he did . John is a former @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ person now than you were before you started doing this ? @!Mr-D'SALVO : No , I 'm pretty much just the same old loving , down-home , family kind of guy . @!SCHLESINGER : How could that be ? Women all over America are -- I mean , pardon me , but are drooling over you . @!Mr-D'SALVO : I 'm a simple guy from a simple place and , you know , I think that 's all it takes to -- as long as you 're -- as long as you 're ambitious and determined , you could make anything you want out of yourself . @(Footage-of-Fabio-g) @!FABIO-@1Model@2 : How are you doing ? Unidentified Woman 1 : Oooh ... Unidentified Woman 2 : Barbara , take a picture of me with him . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) John is ambitious and determined to become just like this man . Unidentified Woman 3 : Hey , wow ! @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) Fabio. @!Mr-D'SALVO : @(Voiceover) Sometimes I 'll hear I 'm the new Fabio . But hey , that 's cool , man . Fabio is -- is a success and @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ too . And there 's always room for more . qwq @ ( Footage-of-Fabio 's @!FABIO : Bentley , Rolls Royce , Mercedes 930 Turbo ... @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) But right now , there is only one man at the top . @!FABIO : That 's my favorite , the Hummer. @(Portrait-of-Fabio) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) Fabio 's face and the rest of him can sell millions of books . When somebody asks you what you do for a living , what do you say ? You 're -- you 're -- you 're a cover guy ? @!FABIO : I say I 'm a professional bum . @!SCHLESINGER : A professional bum . qwq @ ( Close-up-of- " Fabio @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) This bum has gone from model to mogul . So what do you sell now besides books ? @!FABIO : So many different things , from my workout video and now a movie , calendars , posters , life-size cutout , perfume . @!SCHLESINGER : You are known for your covers . I mean , you 're not known for much else . @!FABIO : I used modeling to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ like Arnold Schwarzenegger used bodybuilding . He is a very smart man , and I 'm not dumb either . @(Footage-of-TV-comm) @!FABIO : I Ca n't Believe it 's Not Butter . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) Just by saying that , Fabio quadrupled sales of this product . This is a goofy question , maybe , but do you see yourself as a sex symbol ? @!FABIO : No. @(Photo-of-Fabio) @!FABIO : @(Voiceover) I was blessed by God with what he give me . And I thanks him every day for that , but ... @!SCHLESINGER : What did he give you ? @!FABIO : You know , the -- the mind , spirit . That 's what I 'm the most thanksful for , for my soul , not for ... @!SCHLESINGER : Anything else ? @!FABIO : And the look , of course . @(Book-covers-shown) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) His look just landed Fabio a three-book deal for Zebra Publishing . @!FABIO : Well , I 'm going to come out with all the plots and the ideas . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) Zebra does n't just want his pose , but @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ : Everybody start thinking about ' Fabio , Fabio , Fabio , Fabio , Fabio ! ' @(Footage-of-Pino-at) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) You could say Fabio was created in Pino 's image . He painted some of Fabio 's first covers . @!PINO : The model , there must be a base . Then all -- the artist has to give a lot . It comes from the heart , and -- and the more you give , the more the readers , they love it . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) Now Pino 's turned his attention to John D'Salvo. @!PINO : Sometimes , John complain , ' It 's not me , ' but I do not want to paint you exactly . It 's not a portrait . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) In fact , it 's almost a Polaroid . It took just four days to paint this cover . @!Ms-ROSSI : Another good one . @!PINO : Thank you . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) And what 's good for Janis Rossi , the art director ... @(Footage-of-D'Salvo) @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) ... is good for John D'Salvo , the model . Unidentified @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ for you all day . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) He 's at the Booksellers Convention in Chicago , promoting his covers ... @!Mr-D'SALVO : That 's me , right there . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) ... and a calendar . Unidentified Woman 5 : Everybody is waiting to see you . They 've been lining up . @!Mr-D'SALVO : @(Voiceover) I like the conventions . What 's your name ? @!JACKIE : Jackie . @!Mr-D'SALVO : Jackie . @(Voiceover) They make me feel like I 'm a star . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) If he 's not a star now ... Unidentified Woman 6 : Look at him . He 's gorgeous . @!SCHLESINGER : @(Voiceover) ... he might be one soon . Unidentified Woman 7 : I want to take him home . @!Mr-D'SALVO : @(Voiceover) It 's fun . Unidentified Woman 8 : I tell you , whoo ! @!Mr-D'SALVO : @(Voiceover) I like what I 'm doing . Unidentified Woman 9 : We 're going to buy his book and put it under our pillows . @!Mr-D'SALVO : @(Voiceover) And I 'm very happy right now , and I ca n't @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ a moment , the story behind the cover . @(Footage-of-romance) @!Ms-CONNIE-MASON-@1 : ( Reading ) ' Then he tasted her , as he had longed to do . Using his tongue to thrust ... ' @!GERI-@1Connie's-Da : Mother ! @!RATHER : @(Voiceover) One grandmother shares her deepest secrets . 